Thanks to everyone who shared thoughts about inserting the women's
championship into the Frozen Four. I agree with Tom Rowe that logistics
may be more daunting, but I don't think game scheduling or rink
functions are an insurmountable problem. Just to see how wrong I might
be, I tried putting together the most likely game scenarios for two
potential options, ...
(A) merely adding the Division I women's tournament to the existing
Frozen Four (ie., a 2-championship tournament), and
(B) combining both men's and women's tournaments for both Div I and
Div II/III into a single-venue event like Tampa (ie., a 4-championship
tournament).
The latter requires at least 4 days, which could either start earlier
(Wednesday) or just extend through Sunday.
The most challenging trick might be finding a way to accommodate all
fans, who have many varied interests, both with specialized ticket
offerings and hotel accommodations. Option A is far less daunting than
Option B. I still think any viable plan which can effectively
consolidate Frozen Fours, at least by incorporating the women's, would
be a plus. The following shows the game schedules I dreamed up as most
likely outcomes under each option.
_Option (A) - COMBINES TWO TOURNAMENTS; DIV I MEN & WOMEN:_
Thu 2 PM, MEN Div I Semifinal #1
Thu 6 PM, MEN Div I Semifinal #2
Fri 2 PM, WOMEN Div I Semifinal #1
Fri 6 PM, WOMEN Div I Semifinal #2
Sat 4 PM, WOMEN Div I FINAL
Sat 8 PM, MEN Div I FINAL
_Option (B) - ___COMBINES _FOUR TOURNAMENTS___; DIV I/II/III MEN & WOMEN:__
Thu Noon, MEN Div I Semifinal #1
Thu 4 PM, MEN Div I Semifinal #2
Thu 8 PM, WOMEN Div I Semifinal #1
Fri Noon, WOMEN Div I Semifinal #2
/Fri 4 PM, __MEN //_Div II/III_//Semifinal #1//
// Fri 8 PM, __MEN //_Div II/III_//Semifinal #2/
/Sat Noon, __WOMEN //_DIV III_//Semifinal #1//
// Sat 4 PM, __WOMEN //_Div III_//Semifinal #2/
Sat 8 PM, MEN Div I FINAL
Sun Noon, WOMEN Div I FINAL
/Sun 4 PM, __MEN //_Div II/III_//FINAL//
// Sun 8 PM, __WOMEN //_Div III_//FINAL/
In our next episode, we'll incorporate the Stanley Cup.
Bob
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On 3/19/2023 6:23 PM, Jim Dixon wrote:
> I had advocated for a Vancouver Frozen Four. I even tried to convince
> UAF to sponsor it. Now a Seattle FF is more likely
>
> On Sun, Mar 19, 2023, 1:05 PM Anthony Buffa <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Sunday late to the party folks, but happy seeding day. I gather
> the ECAC totally messed things up. Good for Colgate!
>
> As for the NCAA, any of you remember the great time (!) in 1999 in
> Anaheim? Since I live 200 miles north it was easy to attend (well
> if navigating the LA Freeways is easy!) and I recall the midwest
> folks loved the beach time even though it was in the 60s and we
> were freezing!
>
> I doubt the FF will return west of the rockies in the near future
> and I realize it is travel hassle, but how about San Jose/Bay Area?
>
> OK, just kidding. Now on to the brackets.
>
> Cheers,
> Tony RPI’64 in soggy SLO
>
>> On Mar 19, 2023, at 7:36 AM, Michael R. Patten <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> The lax thing is on a vacation weekend and seen as a big party.
>> Hockey is in mostly cold weather sites and sometimes not even
>> within range of the hot beds of hockey.
>> *From:*- Hockey-L - The College Hockey Discussion List
>> <[log in to unmask]>*On Behalf Of*John Edwards
>> *Sent:*Sunday, March 19, 2023 10:05 AM
>> *To:*[log in to unmask]
>> *Subject:*Re: WHERE IS EVERYONE??
>> On the combined NCAA championship idea:
>> Men's lacrosse does something similar. They play on Memorial Day
>> weekend, so the Division I semifinals are on Saturday, the
>> Division II and III finals are on Sunday and the Division I final
>> is on Monday. I haven't been, so I don't know what attendance is
>> like on the middle day. But it is set up as a festival of lacrosse.
>> I think there was something similar done in basketball a few
>> years ago as a one-off. So in hockey, you could consider
>> something with either the D-I women, D-III men, or both.
>> The main concern with doing that in hockey would be whether the
>> ice would hold up after five games in three days. On the
>> spectator side, you would want to ensure that there are tickets
>> available for the fans of the teams in those championship games.
>> John
>> On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 12:45 AM Tom Rowe <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> Good idea, Bob. But the logistics of dealing with all of
>> that in one arena sounds daunting to me.
>>
>> *Tom*
>> =====================================================
>> The cost of freedom*/cannot/*be the lives of our children!
>>
>> None are so empty as those who are full of themselves
>> /--Benjamin Whichcote/
>> ======================================================
>> On 3/18/2023 6:03 PM, Bob Griebel wrote:
>>
>> Re: "- why doesn't the women's program get more attention?"
>>
>> Men's Division I is about to hold a national championship
>> tournament in that traditional hockey hotbed, Florida.
>> In order to attend that tournament, a three-game affair
>> stretched over three days, many fans will have to fly
>> long distances on Wednesday, check into a hotel for four
>> nights, attend games on Thursday afternoon/evening and
>> Saturday evening, and find other things to do on half of
>> Thursday, all of Friday, and most of Saturday, ... which
>> is ok.
>>
>> But couldn't that exercise be more productive and also
>> generate interest in women's hockey if the NCAA would
>> combine, at a minimum, the men's and women's Division I
>> tournaments into a single Thursday-Saturday/Sunday
>> activity? In fact, why not add all divisions to the
>> group? Make it a college hockey extravaganza loaded with
>> games throughout the period. Surely the arena can handle
>> the activity if skillfully scheduled over whatever period
>> makes sense. Fans can select the events that primarily
>> interest them and have a chance for exposure to other
>> divisions and genders. Fans can choose to fill their
>> time with hockey or divide it between their principal
>> hockey interests and tourist activities, however it suits
>> them.
>>
>> Would there be any disadvantages? Is the head of the
>> NCAA reading this? And if it works, how much should be
>> paid to the person who suggested it?
>>
>> Bob Griebel
>>
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>> On 3/18/2023 6:07 PM, Ken Kretsch wrote:
>>
>> I’ve been following hockey in general and BU
>> specifically over twitter. Does that make me old?
>> Interesting that Merrimack is in the HE final and
>> should get a bid, win or (fingers crossed) lose. Fun
>> fact: Fairleigh Dickinson got Merrimack’s bid to that
>> other NCAA tournament. I’d say FDU showed they belonged.
>> And is it too late to recount being at the 1978 Bean
>> Pot on the 45th anniversary of the Big Blizzard?
>> Go BU!!
>> Ken Kretsch
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Mar 18, 2023, at 5:09 PM, Tom
>> Rowe<[log in to unmask]>
>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>>
>> Old I am, but not yet dead. I know Div III
>> won't interest hardly anyone, bu t#6 ranked UWSP
>> and #15 ranked Agsberg played to 4 overtimes
>> before Point won 2-1. I think that was a record
>> for tournament play. Next up for the Pointers is
>> #3 ranked Adrian in the quarterfinals. Could be
>> another National title for perennial powerhouse
>> Point. What can I say? They may not be the big
>> boys, but they're mine (I taught there for 38
>> years) and I think they are worthy of press.
>>
>> Next - why doesn't the women's program get more
>> attention? This year's final is surprising
>> Wisconsin v. #1 seed Ohio State after the badgers
>> upset Minnesota.
>>
>> As to the Div I tournament, I like Minnesota and
>> Denver this year (who wouldn't?), but don't
>> overlook St. Cloud State - my dark horse.
>> Quinnipiac ought to be a favorite, too, but I
>> don't think they will make to the FF. That loss
>> to Colgate may be a fluke, but then again......
>> *
>> Tom Rowe
>> Stevens Point*
>> =====================================================
>> The cost of freedom*/cannot/*be the lives of our
>> children!
>>
>> None are so empty as those who are full of themselves
>> /--Benjamin Whichcote/
>> ======================================================
>> On 3/18/2023 12:59 PM, Carol White wrote:
>>
>> Helloooo out there in cyberspace!!!
>> No emails since the end of 2022? Blasphemy!!
>> Don't let Hockey-L die!
>> I know we are older than we'd like to admit,
>> but there are some dang good Hockey Teams out
>> there competing for that GOLD TROPHY!!!
>> Minnesota, Michigan, Colorado College, St
>> Cloud, Northern Michigan, Canisius, Colgate,
>> Harvard, MERRIMACK, Boston Univ, Minnesota
>> State, Denver, Quinnipiac, Penn State, Ohio
>> State, Cornell, Alaska, Northeastern, North
>> Dakota, RIT, Minnesota Duluth, Mass-Lowell,
>> and a few others!!!
>> Please get talking!!! More Contests!!!
>> Your faithful Cruise Leader for the 2024 NCAA
>> CHAMPIONSHIP in St.Paul
>> Carol
>>
>>
>> --
>> John Edwards
>> "You can insure against the weather, but you can't insure against
>> incompetence, can you?" - Phil Tufnell
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