Thanks to everyone who shared thoughts about inserting the women's championship into the Frozen Four. I agree with Tom Rowe that logistics may be more daunting, but I don't think game scheduling or rink functions are an insurmountable problem. Just to see how wrong I might be, I tried putting together the most likely game scenarios for two potential options, ... (A) merely adding the Division I women's tournament to the existing Frozen Four (ie., a 2-championship tournament), and (B) combining both men's and women's tournaments for both Div I and Div II/III into a single-venue event like Tampa (ie., a 4-championship tournament). The latter requires at least 4 days, which could either start earlier (Wednesday) or just extend through Sunday. The most challenging trick might be finding a way to accommodate all fans, who have many varied interests, both with specialized ticket offerings and hotel accommodations. Option A is far less daunting than Option B. I still think any viable plan which can effectively consolidate Frozen Fours, at least by incorporating the women's, would be a plus. The following shows the game schedules I dreamed up as most likely outcomes under each option. _Option (A) - COMBINES TWO TOURNAMENTS; DIV I MEN & WOMEN:_ Thu 2 PM, MEN Div I Semifinal #1 Thu 6 PM, MEN Div I Semifinal #2 Fri 2 PM, WOMEN Div I Semifinal #1 Fri 6 PM, WOMEN Div I Semifinal #2 Sat 4 PM, WOMEN Div I FINAL Sat 8 PM, MEN Div I FINAL _Option (B) - ___COMBINES _FOUR TOURNAMENTS___; DIV I/II/III MEN & WOMEN:__ Thu Noon, MEN Div I Semifinal #1 Thu 4 PM, MEN Div I Semifinal #2 Thu 8 PM, WOMEN Div I Semifinal #1 Fri Noon, WOMEN Div I Semifinal #2 /Fri 4 PM, __MEN //_Div II/III_//Semifinal #1// // Fri 8 PM, __MEN //_Div II/III_//Semifinal #2/ /Sat Noon, __WOMEN //_DIV III_//Semifinal #1// // Sat 4 PM, __WOMEN //_Div III_//Semifinal #2/ Sat 8 PM, MEN Div I FINAL Sun Noon, WOMEN Div I FINAL /Sun 4 PM, __MEN //_Div II/III_//FINAL// // Sun 8 PM, __WOMEN //_Div III_//FINAL/ In our next episode, we'll incorporate the Stanley Cup. Bob ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On 3/19/2023 6:23 PM, Jim Dixon wrote: > I had advocated for a Vancouver Frozen Four. I even tried to convince > UAF to sponsor it. Now a Seattle FF is more likely > > On Sun, Mar 19, 2023, 1:05 PM Anthony Buffa <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Sunday late to the party folks, but happy seeding day. I gather > the ECAC totally messed things up. Good for Colgate! > > As for the NCAA, any of you remember the great time (!) in 1999 in > Anaheim? Since I live 200 miles north it was easy to attend (well > if navigating the LA Freeways is easy!) and I recall the midwest > folks loved the beach time even though it was in the 60s and we > were freezing! > > I doubt the FF will return west of the rockies in the near future > and I realize it is travel hassle, but how about San Jose/Bay Area? > > OK, just kidding. Now on to the brackets. > > Cheers, > Tony RPI’64 in soggy SLO > >> On Mar 19, 2023, at 7:36 AM, Michael R. Patten <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >> >> The lax thing is on a vacation weekend and seen as a big party. >> Hockey is in mostly cold weather sites and sometimes not even >> within range of the hot beds of hockey. >> *From:*- Hockey-L - The College Hockey Discussion List >> <[log in to unmask]>*On Behalf Of*John Edwards >> *Sent:*Sunday, March 19, 2023 10:05 AM >> *To:*[log in to unmask] >> *Subject:*Re: WHERE IS EVERYONE?? >> On the combined NCAA championship idea: >> Men's lacrosse does something similar. They play on Memorial Day >> weekend, so the Division I semifinals are on Saturday, the >> Division II and III finals are on Sunday and the Division I final >> is on Monday. I haven't been, so I don't know what attendance is >> like on the middle day. But it is set up as a festival of lacrosse. >> I think there was something similar done in basketball a few >> years ago as a one-off. So in hockey, you could consider >> something with either the D-I women, D-III men, or both. >> The main concern with doing that in hockey would be whether the >> ice would hold up after five games in three days. On the >> spectator side, you would want to ensure that there are tickets >> available for the fans of the teams in those championship games. >> John >> On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 12:45 AM Tom Rowe <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> Good idea, Bob. But the logistics of dealing with all of >> that in one arena sounds daunting to me. >> >> *Tom* >> ===================================================== >> The cost of freedom*/cannot/*be the lives of our children! >> >> None are so empty as those who are full of themselves >> /--Benjamin Whichcote/ >> ====================================================== >> On 3/18/2023 6:03 PM, Bob Griebel wrote: >> >> Re: "- why doesn't the women's program get more attention?" >> >> Men's Division I is about to hold a national championship >> tournament in that traditional hockey hotbed, Florida. >> In order to attend that tournament, a three-game affair >> stretched over three days, many fans will have to fly >> long distances on Wednesday, check into a hotel for four >> nights, attend games on Thursday afternoon/evening and >> Saturday evening, and find other things to do on half of >> Thursday, all of Friday, and most of Saturday, ... which >> is ok. >> >> But couldn't that exercise be more productive and also >> generate interest in women's hockey if the NCAA would >> combine, at a minimum, the men's and women's Division I >> tournaments into a single Thursday-Saturday/Sunday >> activity? In fact, why not add all divisions to the >> group? Make it a college hockey extravaganza loaded with >> games throughout the period. Surely the arena can handle >> the activity if skillfully scheduled over whatever period >> makes sense. Fans can select the events that primarily >> interest them and have a chance for exposure to other >> divisions and genders. Fans can choose to fill their >> time with hockey or divide it between their principal >> hockey interests and tourist activities, however it suits >> them. >> >> Would there be any disadvantages? Is the head of the >> NCAA reading this? And if it works, how much should be >> paid to the person who suggested it? >> >> Bob Griebel >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> On 3/18/2023 6:07 PM, Ken Kretsch wrote: >> >> I’ve been following hockey in general and BU >> specifically over twitter. Does that make me old? >> Interesting that Merrimack is in the HE final and >> should get a bid, win or (fingers crossed) lose. Fun >> fact: Fairleigh Dickinson got Merrimack’s bid to that >> other NCAA tournament. I’d say FDU showed they belonged. >> And is it too late to recount being at the 1978 Bean >> Pot on the 45th anniversary of the Big Blizzard? >> Go BU!! >> Ken Kretsch >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> On Mar 18, 2023, at 5:09 PM, Tom >> Rowe<[log in to unmask]> >> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>wrote: >> >> Old I am, but not yet dead. I know Div III >> won't interest hardly anyone, bu t#6 ranked UWSP >> and #15 ranked Agsberg played to 4 overtimes >> before Point won 2-1. I think that was a record >> for tournament play. Next up for the Pointers is >> #3 ranked Adrian in the quarterfinals. Could be >> another National title for perennial powerhouse >> Point. What can I say? They may not be the big >> boys, but they're mine (I taught there for 38 >> years) and I think they are worthy of press. >> >> Next - why doesn't the women's program get more >> attention? This year's final is surprising >> Wisconsin v. #1 seed Ohio State after the badgers >> upset Minnesota. >> >> As to the Div I tournament, I like Minnesota and >> Denver this year (who wouldn't?), but don't >> overlook St. Cloud State - my dark horse. >> Quinnipiac ought to be a favorite, too, but I >> don't think they will make to the FF. That loss >> to Colgate may be a fluke, but then again...... >> * >> Tom Rowe >> Stevens Point* >> ===================================================== >> The cost of freedom*/cannot/*be the lives of our >> children! >> >> None are so empty as those who are full of themselves >> /--Benjamin Whichcote/ >> ====================================================== >> On 3/18/2023 12:59 PM, Carol White wrote: >> >> Helloooo out there in cyberspace!!! >> No emails since the end of 2022? Blasphemy!! >> Don't let Hockey-L die! >> I know we are older than we'd like to admit, >> but there are some dang good Hockey Teams out >> there competing for that GOLD TROPHY!!! >> Minnesota, Michigan, Colorado College, St >> Cloud, Northern Michigan, Canisius, Colgate, >> Harvard, MERRIMACK, Boston Univ, Minnesota >> State, Denver, Quinnipiac, Penn State, Ohio >> State, Cornell, Alaska, Northeastern, North >> Dakota, RIT, Minnesota Duluth, Mass-Lowell, >> and a few others!!! >> Please get talking!!! More Contests!!! >> Your faithful Cruise Leader for the 2024 NCAA >> CHAMPIONSHIP in St.Paul >> Carol >> >> >> -- >> John Edwards >> "You can insure against the weather, but you can't insure against >> incompetence, can you?" - Phil Tufnell >