Timothy,
    Could you give example or examples of Gordon's claim of "positive
religious experiences" cut from the poem?

Charles

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>From: Timothy Materer <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Pound and The Waste Land
>Date: Fri, Jan 10, 2003, 1:22 PM
>

> I sent the following message to the TSE list a week ago and received
> no reply. Maybe EPOUND members will have a reaction?
>
> What do listmembers think of giving Pound credit or blame for shaping
> The Waste Land? For example, Lyndall Gordon regrets that Pound's cuts
> eliminated many of Eliot's references to positive religious
> experiences. Recently, in "Avant-Garde Eliot" (21st-Century
> Modernism, in the Blackwell Manifestos series, 2002), Marjorie
> Perloff argues that Eliot was actually more avant-garde in Prufrock
> than in The Waste Land because the latter's "fragmentation,
> parataxis, and collage structure . . . is largely the product of
> Pound's severe cuts."
>
> This opinion makes Eliot seem rather passive. Most poets, I imagine,
> show their poems to friends; and the decisions about the final form
> are still their own. Would the poem have seemed any less fragmented
> and collage-like if passages such as Song, Dirge, Exequy, Death of
> the Duchess and even the sea voyage had been incorporated in the poem?
> --
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