Timothy, Could you give example or examples of Gordon's claim of "positive religious experiences" cut from the poem? Charles ---------- >From: Timothy Materer <[log in to unmask]> >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Pound and The Waste Land >Date: Fri, Jan 10, 2003, 1:22 PM > > I sent the following message to the TSE list a week ago and received > no reply. Maybe EPOUND members will have a reaction? > > What do listmembers think of giving Pound credit or blame for shaping > The Waste Land? For example, Lyndall Gordon regrets that Pound's cuts > eliminated many of Eliot's references to positive religious > experiences. Recently, in "Avant-Garde Eliot" (21st-Century > Modernism, in the Blackwell Manifestos series, 2002), Marjorie > Perloff argues that Eliot was actually more avant-garde in Prufrock > than in The Waste Land because the latter's "fragmentation, > parataxis, and collage structure . . . is largely the product of > Pound's severe cuts." > > This opinion makes Eliot seem rather passive. Most poets, I imagine, > show their poems to friends; and the decisions about the final form > are still their own. Would the poem have seemed any less fragmented > and collage-like if passages such as Song, Dirge, Exequy, Death of > the Duchess and even the sea voyage had been incorporated in the poem? > -- > > Timothy Materer, 107 Tate, English Department > University of Missouri, Columbia MO 65211 > Fax: 573 882-5785 > The James Merrill Electronic Discussion Forum > http://www.missouri.edu/~engtim/jm.html > --"THIS FICTIVE SPACE WE HERE INHABIT IS / THE STOP TO TIME"