Rick,
    If you need it a third time here it is * p.285*, "Page Two Hundred,
Eighty-five"!
    As to my "qualifications", how about having pulled the sword out of the
stone? Or does that happen only in stories? Or even a greater feat having
waded waist-deep all the way from beginning to end through the effluvia of
Surette's swamp.

    "And they called us the Manicheans
    Wotever the hellsarse that is."
                             -CantoXXIII

Charles

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>From: Richard Seddon <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Pound and the Occult
>Date: Wed, Jan 29, 2003, 11:16 AM
>

> Charles and Tim
>
> Of course Surette is concerned with the Modernism and the Occult in his
> book.  The sub-title is "Ezra Pound, T. S. Eliot, W. B. Yeats, and the
> Occult".
>
> I think that anyone who damns a well thought of scholar such as Surette in
> the words and phrases that Charles has chosen to use needs to show to all
> his qualifications to do so.
>
> Since Charles will not give a page reference for his original quote let me
> quote, on the same subject, from the same book.  "The Birth Of Modernism" by
> Surette, page 164.
>
> Surette's reference to modern physics fall in arguments about relativism and
> the philosophy of relativism.
>
> Page 164.
> "At a little higher level of discussion it is sometimes supposed that even
> if natural scientists are themselves inclined to positivism and dogmatism,
> modern theoretical physics confirms skeptical relativism.  One often hears
> Einstein's relativism, Planck's quantum physics, and the Heisenberg
> uncertainty principle invoked as evidence that science itself concedes that
> positive knowledge is not possible.  Of course, these principled limits on
> the accuracy and fineness of information in no way support skeptical
> relativism of the appropriate type.  On the contrary, they define the
> practical limits of empirical knowledge, and do so without questioning
> empirical and Lockean theories of knowledge at all."
>
> Also remember that the real universe is defined by Newtonian physics.  The
> flaws in Newtonian physics is what Quantum Mechanics and Relativity Theory
> correct by invoking what is sensibly unreal.
>
> Rick Seddon
> McIntosh, NM