Rick, If you need it a third time here it is * p.285*, "Page Two Hundred, Eighty-five"! As to my "qualifications", how about having pulled the sword out of the stone? Or does that happen only in stories? Or even a greater feat having waded waist-deep all the way from beginning to end through the effluvia of Surette's swamp. "And they called us the Manicheans Wotever the hellsarse that is." -CantoXXIII Charles ---------- >From: Richard Seddon <[log in to unmask]> >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: Pound and the Occult >Date: Wed, Jan 29, 2003, 11:16 AM > > Charles and Tim > > Of course Surette is concerned with the Modernism and the Occult in his > book. The sub-title is "Ezra Pound, T. S. Eliot, W. B. Yeats, and the > Occult". > > I think that anyone who damns a well thought of scholar such as Surette in > the words and phrases that Charles has chosen to use needs to show to all > his qualifications to do so. > > Since Charles will not give a page reference for his original quote let me > quote, on the same subject, from the same book. "The Birth Of Modernism" by > Surette, page 164. > > Surette's reference to modern physics fall in arguments about relativism and > the philosophy of relativism. > > Page 164. > "At a little higher level of discussion it is sometimes supposed that even > if natural scientists are themselves inclined to positivism and dogmatism, > modern theoretical physics confirms skeptical relativism. One often hears > Einstein's relativism, Planck's quantum physics, and the Heisenberg > uncertainty principle invoked as evidence that science itself concedes that > positive knowledge is not possible. Of course, these principled limits on > the accuracy and fineness of information in no way support skeptical > relativism of the appropriate type. On the contrary, they define the > practical limits of empirical knowledge, and do so without questioning > empirical and Lockean theories of knowledge at all." > > Also remember that the real universe is defined by Newtonian physics. The > flaws in Newtonian physics is what Quantum Mechanics and Relativity Theory > correct by invoking what is sensibly unreal. > > Rick Seddon > McIntosh, NM