Tim,
    Again, I did not write that. It is from Leon Surette's book on Modernism
and the Occult. p.285. I agree with you Tim. Furthermore I think it smacks
of witch-hunting taken to absurd lengths which was my point about equating
Modernism with the Occult and the negative connotations of the resulting
violence to existing "order" implied.
    Since we are on the subject of Modernism here is what I read in
yesterday's Cleveland Plain Dealer concerning our poet laureate's appearance
at John Carroll University tonight.
    "There's a waiting audience out there that was frightened away by
Modernist poetry in school. You feel alienated from your own language, which
is unpleasant," Collins says in phone call from his home in Somers, N.Y.
"There's a syllogism at work here. The syllogism goes like this: I can read
and understand English; this poem was written in English; I can't understand
this poem."
    Any comments?

Charles

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>From: Tim Bray <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Pound and the Occult (was not
>Date: Tue, Jan 28, 2003, 11:54 PM
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> Carrol Cox wrote:
>> charles moyer wrote:
>>
>> "apparent immateriality of quantum physics and the apparent
>> irrationality of relativity theory"
>
> I missed that, but I object.  Nothing is more material than quantum
> physics, a hodgepodge of mathematics which seems to do a good job of
> predicting the observed material results of experiments; the violently
> counterintuitive nature of what the math seems to be telling us is a
> symptom of materiality - the world is what it is, not what we think it
> is, and if what it is seems weird, well that's just the way it is.
> Similarly for relativity theory, it's weird all right but there's
> nothing irrational about it.  And we lack alternatives.  And it is a
> good thing to try to understand the world. -Tim