here's jonathan morse's j'accuse,
shouting tim romano down,
and naming him "anti-semite":
 
>8. None of this is news. But "counter-propagandist"? That rustling noise
>you hear is the sound of a political hand being tipped.
 
 
so ... a pretty classical illustration how it works.
while one may well see an abundance of the all-too-human,
he searches  morse's 9 articles in vain
for the "blood" dripping from ep's hands.
 
the historical context of this whole fascism issue
is the maelstrom of what everybody at the time
saw as a world-wide pop rising  against capitalism
after the exhaustion and incommensurable
cruelty of ww1 and great depression.
 
that rev is the ball which everybody had their eye on.
thence the usa temporized opening a western front
despite its intelligence on the "final solution",
because its o'erwhelming consideration
was that nazism and bolshevism destroy each other,
thereby to allow the ancien regime to weather the crisis,
make the world safe for democracy...n'all dat.
 
ep's focus, from the opposite end of the field,
was equally intent...so in that out-of-focus area
a crime was committed by his party.
which party he considered to be on the side of humanity.
 
it is indeed a devilish moral problem,
...if only he'd been with gramsci, silone, ...the resistance
 
but the holocaust industry's brief here
is extravagantly meritricious .
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Morse <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Saturday, November 27, 1999 3:55 AM
Subject: Re: Getting things all mixed up
 
 
>At 12:30 AM 11/27/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>I would like to be directed to the evidence of Pound's "blood-dripping"
>racism, as you put it. So far, I've found nothing to indicate that Pound
>the wartime counter-propagandist approved (or was even aware) of anything
>remotely resembling Ethnic Cleansing or genocide. Or perhaps you meant
>something else by "blood-dripping"?
>
>I meant that the whole racist mental pathology is dripping with blood,
>historically speaking. But as to Pound's awareness, I refer you to
>_Letters in Captivity_, letter 49, p. 187. There, after visiting Ezra at
>the DTC, Dorothy reports this way about her trip home under chaotic postwar
>conditions: " . . . boarded the train, a merce, with cattle trucks for
>goyim." About which we can say:
>
>1. "Merce," without the grave accent over the last letter, is Italian for
>freight train. Elsewhere in the book the word is translated correctly, but
>here Omar Pound and Robert Spoo make an interesting Freudian slip: they
>render "a merce" as "Thank God!"
>
>2. "Goyim" is a Hebrew word meaning "non-Jews." By Jews it's ordinarily
>used in a derogatory sense, as the Pounds knew. I.e., Dorothy here is
>indulging herself and Ezra in a fairly nasty bit of self-pity, meaning
>"They're doing to us what we did to them!" Compare T.S. Eliot's French idol
>Charles Maurras, Nazi collaborator. When the court handed down his prison
>sentence after the war, he shouted, "C'est la revanche de Dreyfus!"
>
>3. Date of Dorothy's letter: November 13, 1945. That's just six months
>after General Jodl surrendered to General Eisenhower. Several years later
>Sylvia Plath would write, "An engine, an engine, / chuffing me off like a
>Jew," but the information was out and available much earlier. It was shown
>in the same newsreels where Pound saw Mussolini's battered body, for
>instance. Or, if you insist on literary evidence, Vasily Grossman's 1944
>eyewitness article "Treblinskii ad" -- the first published account of the
>death camps -- was available in a French translation ("L'Enfer de
>Treblinka") as of 1945.
>
>5. More generally: Daniel Goldhagen's _Hitler's Willing Executioners_ may
>not be worth much as history, but the phenomenon of its reception in
>Germany is worth a great deal. Well no, not all the Lager were in faraway
>Poland; there were some 10,000 concentration camps within Germany. Well
>yes, it took a positive effort not to know about those. Goldhagen helped
>the generation of the Third Reich admit that at last.
>
>6. Pound had no Goldhagen to help him. But he knew.
>
>7. See also the recent thread on this list about people who tried to tell
>Pound, and compare Marianne Moore's vain effort to get _The Criterion_ to
>notice Hitler's persecution of the Jews. How close to the European action
>was Moore? Not very. But when did she start saying things that Eliot didn't
>want to hear? In 1933.
>
>8. None of this is news. But "counter-propagandist"? That rustling noise
>you hear is the sound of a political hand being tipped.
>
>9. Nevertheless, sursum corda. The text of Pound's own diagnosis is badly
>garbled in the old Paige _Selected Letters_ (no. 328, p. 295), but some
>meaning does come through the static. "A man can read a thousand or 5000 or
>whatever books," says Pound, "but to suppose that they will be the _same_
>1000 or 5000 after new treasure is available than there were in 1500 is to
>relapse into habit." Pound is talking here about the classics; specifically
>Pindar, whom he considers no longer worth reading. Substitute the name
>"Kenner" and interesting possibilities arise.
>
>Jonathan Morse