my knowledge of the "protocols" comes from vaguely
recollecting konrad heiden's work-up in "der fuhrer:"
its source was a mid 19th cent fr novel which upon
arrival in petrograd, was, classically,
 transmogrified by the tsar's police
for purposes of suppressing the rev aborning.
alfred rosenberg, then a student in petrograd,
in his innocence, took the thing seriously;
and upon elevation to nazi race minister,
made the hoax dogma.
 
ep's radio comment,  as hitler's,
is a "artist" commonplace,
most famously expressed by ari,
that poetry (metafor) is truer than facticity.
 
and, of course, israel,
wiht its world's 2nd most powerful army,
complete with nukes,
gives, especially among palestinians,
the hoax/metafor a compelling vitality
even as we speak.
 
so that
while the zionist use of the shoah text
to enable the crime pointed to by the "protocols" txt,
which was used to enable the holocaust,...
does indeed constitute a classic
derridean/pomo problemmatic,
i guess.
 
but yer discovery of parallel "writings" in
the hitler txt and the ep txt in re the protocols txt
is only a  problem of, as you say, superficial
influence and derivation.
albeit very interesting.
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Morse <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Friday, November 26, 1999 6:03 AM
Subject: Another hypothesis bites the dust
 
 
>One of my spare-time minor fascinations has been radio broadcast 78,
>"Zion," Doob pp. 283-85. This speech begins:
>
>"If or when one mentions the Protocols alleged to be of the Elders of Zion,
>one is frequently met with the reply: Oh, but they are a forgery.
>
>"Certainly they are a forgery, and that is the one proof we have of their
>authenticity. The Jews have worked with forged documents for the past 24
>hundred years, namely ever since they have had any documents whatever."
>
>But why fascination? Because it's sometimes seemed possible to me that that
>line about forgery being the proof of authenticity is a link forward from
>Pound to Derrida, and that that link in turn might be connectible to the
>chain backward from Pound to Fenollosa.
>
>Wrong. It appears that all we have here is a bit of influence study. The
>likely source:
>
> "To what extent the whole existence of this people [Jews] is based on a
>continuous lie is shown incomparably by *The Protocols of the Wise Men of
>Zion*, so infinitely hated by the Jews.  They are based on a forgery, the
>*Frankfurter Zeitung* moans and screams once every week: the best proof
>that they are authentic.  What many Jews may do unconsciously is here
>consciously exposed.  And that is what matters.  It is completely
>indifferent from what Jewish brain these disclosures originate; the
>important thing is that with positively terrifying certainty they reveal
>the nature and activity of the Jewish people and expose their inner
>contexts as well as their ultimate final aims."
>
>That's _Mein Kampf_: p. 307 of the Ralph Manheim translation.* I suppose
>it's possible that by 1943 the idea was in general circulation in the Axis
>world. Oh, why can't we ask Professor Heidegger?
>
>Jonathan Morse
>
>* Houghton Mifflin 1943? I've ripped this quote off from Gordon Fisher of
>list H-Antisemitism, but he doesn't specify the edition he used.