bob scheetz wrote:
 
> bill friend writes:
> >I have no idea what this means.
>
> bill,
> ...like garrick davis's arnoldian critical apparatus,
> such accusations as "fascism", "anti-semitism",
> issue from a hopelessly dated, naive,  rousseau-ist, anthropology
> (the one which boojwas liberalism still gives profuse lip service
> ...as in liberty/equality/frat & co, and negatively, totalitarianism,
> racism, ...etc, no?)
 
Okay, I see -- "anti-semitism" and "fascism" are useless or meaningless
as categories, but "bourgeois liberal idealism" isn't. And we have no
position from which to make moral judgments on anything, right?
 
I think your argument was better when I didn't understand it.
 
Bill Freind
 
>
>
> contrariwise, the world we inhabit with ep is the wasteland,
> ...a death-o-god world that nihil-ates all value
> down to the crassest materialist scrimmage.
> so there's no moral high ground
> whence to melodramatically hurl the ole "j'accuse"..., eh?
> and name calling, the general currency of vile epithets
> ...hip-hop lyrics bout muthafuckas, hoes, bubbas, niggas,...
> seems just about right,
> most meaningfully to  mirror our world.
> ...only consider the recent epiphany of our tabacco road
> narcissit prez and his cocksucker courtiers
> bombing nazi serbia back to the third world
> (still wait'n to see all those mass graves)
> in order to tidy up a strategic frontier of the g7 imperium
> under the iron exigencies of the brahmin caste of greenspans...?
>
> this is the wasteland, the vortex of moral grotesqueries
> in which the poet was/is trying to discern signifying shapes.
> not the world of arnoldian sweetness & lite,
> not the consumerist lotus-land of suburban pc merka.
>
> so finally,  bifurcating ep
> into "poet of bewtiful passages"on the one hand,
> and "crackpot fascist/antisemite" on t'other,
> entirely misses the essence.
>
> bob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Freind <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Saturday, November 20, 1999 1:03 PM
> Subject: Re: Integer vitae scelerisque purum
>
> >bob scheetz wrote:
> >
> >> bill,
> >>      you don't see that "binaries" are "helpfull"...?
> >> so you didn't really want definition after all, eh?
> >
> >Huh?
>
> bill,
> >> but, in re the list fixation generally,
> >> if the reader has internalized
> >> bourgeois liberal ideology,
> >> its specious normative categories
> >> -totalitarianism, racism, sexism..nso on,
> >> he is precluded,
> >> cept for the "pretty-passages" school,
> >> from ep and modern art pretty generally.
> >
> >I have no idea what this means.