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bill friend writes:
>I have no idea what this means.
 
 
bill,
...like garrick davis's arnoldian critical apparatus,
such accusations as "fascism", "anti-semitism",
issue from a hopelessly dated, naive,  rousseau-ist, anthropology
(the one which boojwas liberalism still gives profuse lip service
...as in liberty/equality/frat & co, and negatively, totalitarianism,
racism, ...etc, no?)
 
contrariwise, the world we inhabit with ep is the wasteland,
...a death-o-god world that nihil-ates all value
down to the crassest materialist scrimmage.
so there's no moral high ground
whence to melodramatically hurl the ole "j'accuse"..., eh?
and name calling, the general currency of vile epithets
...hip-hop lyrics bout muthafuckas, hoes, bubbas, niggas,...
seems just about right,
most meaningfully to  mirror our world.
...only consider the recent epiphany of our tabacco road
narcissit prez and his cocksucker courtiers
bombing nazi serbia back to the third world
(still wait'n to see all those mass graves)
in order to tidy up a strategic frontier of the g7 imperium
under the iron exigencies of the brahmin caste of greenspans...?
 
this is the wasteland, the vortex of moral grotesqueries
in which the poet was/is trying to discern signifying shapes.
not the world of arnoldian sweetness & lite,
not the consumerist lotus-land of suburban pc merka.
 
so finally,  bifurcating ep
into "poet of bewtiful passages"on the one hand,
and "crackpot fascist/antisemite" on t'other,
entirely misses the essence.
 
bob
 
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Freind <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Saturday, November 20, 1999 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: Integer vitae scelerisque purum
 
 
>bob scheetz wrote:
>
>> bill,
>>      you don't see that "binaries" are "helpfull"...?
>> so you didn't really want definition after all, eh?
>
>Huh?
 
bill,
>> but, in re the list fixation generally,
>> if the reader has internalized
>> bourgeois liberal ideology,
>> its specious normative categories
>> -totalitarianism, racism, sexism..nso on,
>> he is precluded,
>> cept for the "pretty-passages" school,
>> from ep and modern art pretty generally.
>
>I have no idea what this means.

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