Sorry, Bob, I meant to say "Joyce's" but it was interesting hearing
about Eliot's or not Eliot's!  Thanks, Kristen
 
--- bob scheetz <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> kristen stevens writes:
> Date: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 8:06 PM
>
> >Would it be intentional incoherence?  A rootless portion of a poem
> >alluding to a tale with no meaning to Pound (or to meaning in a tale
> >with no value to Pound)...I'd like to hear more comparisons of Pound
> >and Eliot's neo-Homeric epics.
>
> kristen,
>     ep's usage, i take it,  is in dead earnest, no?
> e.g. he saw in the bk 11 descent among the shades,
> a metafor for his own project
> ...ie returning to the tradition and once again giving it voice,
> bringing it into the vital air
> ...which is fine
> ...but the suggestion is that in the larger sense his odyssey's
> a spurious reading...kinda  picaresque,  like don juan?
>
> and the suggestion from this particular is that also
> therefore, like byron, for all the brilliance,
> technical and other, he remains  minor
> for never having pushed his stuff to a grande coherence,
> theme or mythos?
>
> as opposed to say eliot's mystical/metaphysical
> meditations on being and time,  "fire and the rose".
>
> eliot's wasteland is a series of tableaux in symbolist style
> depicting a radical personal and cultural dissolution
> ...with the medieval romance of the dessicated kingdom the
> metafor for the west...and hisself the kinda woody allen
> anti-hero percival, etc....and like woody he proceeds
> thenceforth to chew the cud of his despair.
>
> still the radical nihilism of the times did present art
> with a specially thorny problem...
> what with neitzsche's declaring god dead,
> and spengler putting payed to western art
> ...yeats sought a theme, and sought for it in vain
> ...and dada-ism
> ...so indeed the times are post-structuralist
> ...and there may well be a post structural thesis here;
> but not, i think, from ep's chosing it.
> ...and from here, i'm afraid,  one starts sounding french.
>
> but, anyway, aside from the few allusions,
> don't really see anything homeric in eliot.
> have i misunderstood you?
> please give me your ideas.
>
> thanks,
> bob
>
 
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