Time for some Visine, some Thorazine, some riboflavin, niacin, aspirin and
caffeine. Weak Wei. Very weak.

But I like the way all these intransigent arguments are just turning into
silly putty.Ives was just joking. Yep.

GAVIN

En Lin Wei wrote:
>
> <<But why do you ask questions when you already have the answers? What if I
> would have said Charles Ives?>>
>
> Why do you ask the question ---"why do you ask questions when you already
> have the answers"?--- when you already have the answer to the question?
>
> The truth is I only have SOME possible answers which might be considered as
> a point of departure for further questions, especially on this issue.
>
> I think Ives is an EXCELLENT suggestion, which we have not considered yet.
> And the comparison with Ives, might ONCE AND FOR ALL solve all difficulties
> and disagreements which people have had, and ever will have, over Pound.
>
> Pound's Cantos may be very similar to Ives' symphonic works:  Just as Ives
> wrote long passages in which two or more melodies, written in unrelated
> keys, are played at length simultaneously---- so Pound wrote epic poetry in
> which two or more disharmonious ideas, such as Confucianism and
> Jeffersonianism, are held to simultaneously.   Ives was joking, of course.
> In spite of my heretofore stated belief that Pound was serious about
> fascism, perhaps he was simply joking all the while.  Like Ives, whose
> compositions always have the air of seriousness, Pound gives us the
> impression that he is serious about his commitment to fascism--- and he
> reinforces this impression in our minds  by going to extreme, almost dadaist
> lengths, such as actually taking the time to travel to Italy, to  take a
> pro-Mussolini public stand, and to make radio broadcasts (ostensibly) in
> favor of fascism.
>
> Parody turns away from satire, and develops into a caricature of the most
> sophisticated burlesque (Mencian fascism), and finally becomes an IRONIC
> spoof of a sarcastic lampoon (Hitlerian  Confucianism).
>
> He was having us all on.
>
> We can assume as an axiom that Frank Zappa did not like vegetables any more
> than Hilter REALLY did.  We may also postulate that Zappa especially
> disliked rutabagas (despite their nutritional value), just as it might be
> presumed that Pound really did NOT like fascists (though he knew they were
> good for him).
>
> Thanks to Charles Moyer, Charles Ives, Charles Manson, Charles Stuart, and
> Charlie's Angels, who all helped make this clear to me.
>
> ---Wei
>
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