Along these lines, would it be fallacious to consider
Cummings' landscape paintings?

--- Richard Seddon <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Kate:
>
> With the two set as discussion points, e. e.
> cummings seems the more
> mainline modern to me.  His poetry, even that of the
> country,  seems urban.
> Frost seems throw-back pastoral; almost Georgian.
> Much of Frost's Imagery,
> like some of H.D., is of the countryside.  Of course
> as someone has said the
> Pastoral is about the primitive urges of the Urban
> so maybe Frost is
> primitive modern?  :>)  In all seriousness I would
> suppose that a paper
> could be developed along the lines of Frost
> detailing, through Pastoralism,
> a rejection of the decayed modern Urb.  (Maybe it
> has already been done)
> Pound, who relished the Urb, would not probably
> agree but maybe Eliot would.
>
> Marianne Moore's images (note: little "i")  of
> animals, she is an
> objectivist like Robert Creeley not a strict
> Imagist, might be profitable.
> You might also look at the "Amygism" of Amy Lowell,
> what Pound thought
> Imagism gone astray,  in order to see vitiation of
> the idea.
>
> Are you interested in Imagism or Vorticism?  For an
> excellent discussion of
> the Ideogramic method, which necessarily has a lot
> of good info on Imagism,
> see,  _Ideogram, History of a Poetic Method_ by
> Laszlo K. Gefin.  Pound's
> work on the Fenolosa papers would probably be of
> interest also.
>
> Be sure to keep your big "I" Images seperate from
> your little "i" images.
>
> I don't think the ex-pat idea would work well.
> William Carlos Williams and
> Richard Aldington would be hard to work into such a
> scheme.
>
> Rick Seddon
> McIntosh, NM, USA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kate Cone" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 5:48 AM
> Subject: Re: Imagism and Joyce
>
>
> > Tim:
> >
> > I've been reading C's poetry and bio's for over 30
> years. In fact, as a
> > result of my research and inquiries to Jay Parini
> at Middlebury, a Frost
> > scholar and biographer, I've been asked to write
> the Cummings article for
> > the Oxford Encyclopedia of American Literature,
> which Parini is editing.
> > (wheeee!!!)
> >
> > Frost I knew as all American students do -- the
> anthologized poems. I
> loved
> > the imagery, but didn't "get" how deep they were
> then. But one little poem
> > hit me a different way:
> >
> > The Secret Sits
> >
> > We dance 'round a ring and suppose.
> > The secret sits in the middle and knows.
> >
> > Frost
> >
> > ****
> >
> > seeker of truth
> >
> > follow no path
> > all paths lead where
> >
> > truth is here
> >
> > Cummings
> >
> > ****
> >
> > At first I thought of this type of poem as having
> a Zen influence, but on
> > further investigation I learned that both C and F
> were tremendously
> > influenced by Emerson, whose essay "Circles"
> pretty much pegs the notion
> of
> > coming back: "I keep and pass and turn again."
> (Brahma).
> >
> > Anyway, the nature poetry of C and F are the most
> alike in that regard.
> > Where Pound comes in: he was among some other
> influential poets met in
> > England and was instrumental in getting Frost's
> first two books
> > well-reviewed in England, essentially "making"
> Frost the first and perhaps
> > only best-selling American poet of the 20th
> century. As a young poet at
> > Harvard, Cummings' notebooks show a keen interest
> in being part of the
> > imagist movement.
> >
> > I guess what I'm asking for are any thoughts at
> all about Pound's
> influence
> > and/or dealings with either Frost or Cummings. And
> with regard to Mr.
> > Savage's comment about Frost's poor treatment of
> Pound -- if you could
> > elaborate further on that/those incident/s, it
> would give me more
> insight --
> > was Frost abandoning a poet who helped  him in
> order to "lay low" from
> > controversy? This will further my theory that
> Frost "invented" himself as
> a
> > Yankee farmer poet and didn't want to rock any
> boat by being involved
> > (publicly) in the politics of the day. Cummings
> was much more "in your
> > face."
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Kate
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tim Romano" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 6:15 AM
> > Subject: Re: Imagism and Joyce
> >
> >
> > > Kate,
> > > What do you think their work has in common? I
> see no similarity, though
> I
> > > must admit that I don't know cummings's work
> inside and out.
> > > Tim Romano
> > >
> > > Kate Cone wrote:
> > >
> > > >I am writing my masters thesis on how E.E.
> Cummings and Robert Frost's
> > > >poetry are related.
> > >
> >


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