The BDN got the Hamilton situation completely wrong.  But, the paper broke
the House situation - and even though charges were dropped, I believe he
admitted to doing something completely stupid (a sideways admission of
guilt).  So, maybe they are 50/50 right now.

In the end - maybe there's a greater question.  We keep having students who
put themselves into situations like this.  Whether House groped, Payson
punched or Hamilton did whatever, they were still in questionable
situations.  How frequently is this going to happen?  Is it the college
environment that's causing it?  Are we recruiting people with poor character
to begin with? 

-----Original Message-----
From: The Maine Hockey Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
Behalf Of james acheson
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 12:48 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Payson arrested for assault ...

WHile my knee jerk reaction is that this looks bad... 

PLEASE lets all remember that police reports only have enough information
written to make the arrest... and that is what was reported in the BDN...
same paper that got the Hamilton incident so screwed up that it was
laughable.

the BDN is not going to report anything but the police report and the police
report will not have anything in it except enough allegations and admissions
to make an arrest.
so we have a kid with a broken bone who stated that Payson did it.
we have no police witnesses so we need a serious
injury AND an admission by Payson.   (the admission
was that he was there and the he contacted the kid;s head... NOT THAT HE IS
GUILTY OF AGGRAVATED ASSAULT)

the police got their admission and so they made the arrest.
there might have been extenuating circumstances or self defense.... neither
of which even belong in a police report, so we are not going to hear about
either one until there is a trial.... at the arraignment, all we will hear
is the injury plus the admission.

judge if you want/must... but please understand that you are judging based
on a police report
--- Nonni Daly <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I agree, Deron.  But, no one has a corner on being stupid, which this 
> certainly is, and violent as well.  Testosterone and alcohol -- such a 
> lovely mix.  As is estrogen and alcohol, as you can find by setting up 
> your own Facebook account and seeing the pride with which today's 
> "young adults" post stupid photos of themselves.  Shame isn't a part 
> of the equation any more and it should be ... okay, will get off my 
> "much older adult" soapbox by adding an old maxim of which my dear 
> aunt reminded me and I never forgot it: "Fool's names and fool's faces 
> are often seen in public places" ... :) Nonni 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Don't want to think I could go to another life where there are no 
> horses!
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Deron Treadwell 
>   To: [log in to unmask] 
>   Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 9:14 AM
>   Subject: Re: Payson arrested for assault ...
> 
> 
>   Well, I've done plenty of things wrong in my life, but I never did 
> walk across a room at 2:30 in the morning (on a Monday morning 
> actually) and punch a guy in his eye socket so hard that it broke his 
> eye socket possibly requiring surgery.
> 
> 
> 
>   Let me ask this - How much different is this situation to Tanner 
> House?  At first blush it seems much worse because it is violent as 
> well as stupid (as opposed to just stupid), but if anyone else will 
> recall Tanner House never actually had charges pressed and the whole 
> thing "went away".  This also hindered Tanner's development.  Right 
> now Sweetland and House look like two of our more promising young 
> players.  How good would be be if he hadn't had this incident?
> 
> 
>   In this case, Payson was arrested and admitted (to some extent and 
> according to the media) that he did put his hands (my words) on this 
> guy, who also has obvious, documented injuries.
> 
> 
> 
>   Certainly no good for Payson, the team or the university any way you 
> slice it.
> 
>   It is too bad to have this happen just when the team was starting to 
> play better.
> 
> 
> 
>   On 1/30/08, Nonni Daly <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote: 
>    
>
http://bangornews.com/news/t/maineblackbears.aspx?articleid=159527&zoneid=22
5
> 
>     More fodder for those who "never did a wrong thing" in their lives 
> ... have at it!
>     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>     Don't want to think I could go to another life where there are no 
> horses!
> 
> 



 
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