We all know you're refering to Ginsberg so why not just name him... If my memory serves, I think there was a reference to this encounter (along much the same lines as you outlined) in a book about Pound eentitled The Voice of Silence (can't recall the author) I am - unfortunately - still travelling without portfolio in the wilds of The Jewish Alps (as my Jewish friend, Jack Savage, calls the Catskills) Best Stoneking ----- Original Message ----- From: Booth, Christopher <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 5:51 PM Subject: Re: Getting things all mixed up > Uh, I am hesitant to follow this up, but I think that it should perhaps be > pointed out. I have this from an anecdotal (unpublished) source that I would > trust a thousand times more on any point in which it differed from the > source who claimed that EP said it. > > Pound never actually said that bit about the "stupid suburban prejudice". > > As far as I am concerned the source of that famous quote is...not > trustworthy. I am trying to be delicate. > > In a nutshell: I was told that EP didn't say those words, and I believe it. > > Others were present that day of the documented visit, and let us not forget > which of those that were present is the source of the story. [Doesn't > "suburban" sound more like _his_ vocabulary in that context than a word EP > would have chosen?] > > I think that this quote was adopted by the Poundians more because many of > them[/us?] needed the excuse it provided than that it is believable beyond > question. > > This point is tricky. I have it from an anecdotal source, at second hand at > that, but I am satisfied; I will never believe the story. > > I don't wish to offend anyone here who may have known the person who gave us > the quote; my opinion is much stronger and more outraged than I express > here--unfortunately, I am nobody, and my source is, very very sadly, > deceased. > > > ---------- > > From: Jonathan Morse > > Reply To: Ezra Pound discussion list of the University of Maine > > Sent: Friday, November 26, 1999 9:54 PM > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Subject: Re: Getting things all mixed up > > > ... > > > These days, actually, one hears echoes of Pat Buchanan. What was Pound's > > nice word for the state of mind? Ah yes: "suburban." > > > ... > > > Jonathan Morse > > >