I really don't think it much worthwhile to discuss Torrey any further . Strangely, for example, when I had hoped that Casillo's "Genealogy of the Demons" wd have raised a pretty hot discusion [in PAI back then] practically nothing happened - as if some Poundians were AFRAID of articulating their opinions about Cassilo's critical - but nevertheless highly interesting - bias. THAT book wd, I think, really offer some very solid ground for discussion... Torrey's does not. It belongs to the strange world of people such as Robert Graves who tirelessly hinted to the "fact" that EP shd have been hanged publicly... That's one of the reason's I liked Alfred Kazin's statement's in the "Pound Odyssey" film so much. Very sound. Very fair. The question of EP's sanity is another and very complicated thing. In the clinical sense [is that the right word?] he of course was insane or rather suffered from attacks of insanity and in his later years even from something we today might call Alzheimer disease. He complains often - in letters to Laughlin, Cornell and others - about "being empty in his head". But the most prominent trait of his illness must have been his paranoia. There are uncountable examples of typical paranoid behavior on EP's side. And I believe that even Maryde Rachewiltz wd subscribe to this. And Hugh Kenner. So - are Rock-Drill, Thrones, and the Fragments "insane poetry"? Are they poetry at all? Maybe Philip Kuberski's "Calculus of Ezra Pound", I've just started to read will provide some intelligent answers...- alex