Sorry about jumping into this discussion so late, but I remember a Chinese professor at the Pound Conference at Brantome -- whose name I've unforgiveably forgotten -- telling some of us, including Mary, that he could see no real conflict between Confucianism and Taoism, that the North had been basically Confucian and the South basically Taoist, but that Taoism had always been a part of Confucianism. He said the usual saying was that you were a Confucian until you left office and then you became a Taoist. And I suppose we could say that at Pisa Pound was no longer in office? Michael Faherty