>Sorry about all the contradictions (do I dontradict myself? Very well, >I contradict myself. I am large. I contain multitudes. Hey, come one, >everyone likes at least one Whitman line. . .) i love whitman... and contradictions are an important part of life, thuis their importance in my theories on poetry... contradiction : irony : (in science) complexity. i'll stop before this turns into a polemic. >(and had gone through never to return the Beatnik Ginsberg >phase), huh? the beats are important-- as are (esp.) the black mountain poets. >But you love in spite of, not because of. amen. >And we all know that if it weren't for EP, there would be no 20th >century poetry in any form we know it. (another, louder): amen. >Neither pound nor ferlinghetti >are taught, notice. good point... >Say it! No ideas but in things. Mr. >Paterson has gone away >to rest and write. Inside the bus one sees >his thoughts sitting and standing. His >thoughts alight and scatter > > William Carlos Williams good. i wonder why there is not a williams discussion list??? jeff. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There are no hierarchies, no infinite, no such many as mass, there are only eyes in all heads to be looked out of -charles olson, from "letter 6" (of the maximus poems)