>>When myself and three adopted Cornell hockey fans arrived and asked >>them to put it on, they said that they found the channel but that they >>couldn't get the game. Said something about needing the "Hockey >>Ticket" in order to get the signal........??? >They're full of s***. Funny, that was exactly the expression I used, only without the asterisks. :-> Rule of thumb: be skeptical of anything an employee of a sports bar tells you; if it's over the phone, don't believe a word of it. Check out the "ground truth" for yourself by going in ahead of time and watching them tune in the network yourself. Preferably the previous week's game in the same series. (And be careful because some of the ECAC games are on Empire, and others on NESN, this season.) >You don't need the NHL hockey package to see the game .... only the >package that includes all the RSN's, including Empire ... I guess it's >possible they don't have that, but then, what the heck do they have? What happens is that sports bars with both kinds of dishes (analog and digital) use the big (analog, C-Band) dishes to get the RSNs and the little (digital, DSS) dishes to get things like pay-per-view events, NFL Sunday Ticket, ESPN College Gameday, NHL Center Ice (?), etc. They often don't bother to subscribe to the RSN package on the mini-dish, since they get them over the C-Band. Except Empire, which doesn't have a C-Band signal. This is why, for this purpose, it's good to look for sports bars that *only* have a mini-dish. Unfortunately, these are often trendy new places that have no idea what it means to be a sports bar. John Whelan, Cornell '91 Official Scorer/PA Announcer U of Utah Ice Hockey Club <[log in to unmask]> <http://www.cc.utah.edu/~jtw16960/joe.html> HOCKEY-L is for discussion of college ice hockey; send information to [log in to unmask], The College Hockey Information List.