Okay, beat me up as much as you like, but for me penalties ARE important. It gives me a much more complete view of the game. It's another factor in the picture that comes through from all the rest of the stats. If I look down at the penalties and see, say, 5-5, then I can pretty well assume somewhere there were some even up calls, and if I see, say, 5-1, then it was either a homer or a fairly called game. I also believe firmly that you can get a pretty good idea who the aggressive players are for each team via this stat. I have been know to go back through my old mail and read these stats when a team is coming to town. I sincerely appreciate the effort the post-ers expend to do this. To call me foolish is sweet talk indeed. Cathy Hart HOCKEY-L is for discussion of college ice hockey; send information to [log in to unmask], The College Hockey Information List.