I think that there is an NCAA reg (Deron, can you help?) that states that a league must be in existence for 5 (?) years before an automatic bid is given. This rule was in effect when the Big East roundball league was first formed. The NCAA did not take the conference champion one year, if favor of a school with a better regular season. Now, when Hockey East was formed, they petitioned to have an exemption from the reg and it was granted. I think there are two ways of handling this. One would be to give a conference bid, but leave it up to the NCAA for the first X years to pick the team. Two, let them play a "playin" game against the #12 (16) team. If anyone thinks that the "playin" game would be a walkover, just remember the 1991 BC - UA Anchorage NCAA 1st round. Personally, I'm in favor of one bid for a few years and then let's see what happens. It can only help the sport and our exposure in the media laden North East (and hence, nationally). Any chance of Penn resurrecting their program back to Div 1? They have a nice rink (at least it was back in the late 70's) and a good location. Rambling thoughts Joe HOCKEY-L is for discussion of college ice hockey; send information to [log in to unmask], The College Hockey Information List.