On 27 Jul 96 at 17:25, Mike Machnik wrote: > Interesting, but not really relevant. What qualifies as a dominant > group dictating what is acceptable? The evidence shows that MU did > not fit your description, because rather than tell the tribe what > they would do, MU and the tribe worked together to decide on the > best plan of action. Does anyone have any specifics on this "agreement"? I'd be interested to see if money changed hands from Miami to the tribe. In other words, did Miami pay for the use of Redskins? If this is the case, this could be even more reason for a new government to be offended because MU would have effectively "bought off" the tribe. But that's just speculation, and until we see the exact agreement there is no way to know.. and may never be anyway to know if money was exchanged under the table. To some natives selling out your culture is extremely offensive, so it can't be ruled out. > And how many offended people does it take for a nickname to be > deemed unacceptable? A majority? 25%? One? No group of people, > be it social, racial, or political, completely agrees among > themselves. I hope it is not your argument that even if a majority > of the Miami tribe were happy with the former agreement, a small > group of people who are not happy with it should take precedence > over *both* the tribe as a whole and the university. This is an interesting question, but I don't think there is an answer except that the new tribal government thinks it is offensive, and it is their right to decide that. I don't think it's fair to suggest these people are trying to make political gains without having the facts. We've agreed that some natives think Redskins is offensive, some don't.. how do we know that this new council wasn't elected for what they stand for, perhaps even on this issue. The point is these people were elected as the tribal government, and just like when the republicans took over Congress, they are going to try and make the changes they feel are best for the tribe and it's not up to us to agree with what they decide, but to respect their right to decide it. --- Deron Treadwell - [log in to unmask] Orono, Maine INFO-HOCKEY-L Administrator ME-HOCKEY Administrator HOCKEY-L is for discussion of college ice hockey; send information to [log in to unmask], The College Hockey Information List.