-- [ From: Adam Wodon * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] -- I held off saying anything about this because I was clearly rooting for Vermont with all my heart, and didn't want to seem bitter about it ... but Mike M. has opened the door, as he so often does so well. I agree with Mike 100 percent. Everything he says is on the money. I watched the game at home, taped the game, and watched the ending (painfully) a few times. By Dedective Reasoning and the Laws of Physics it is clear to me that no Vermont player touched the puck from the time McNeil hit it with his hand and Remackel banged it in. I think the idea of the puck hitting Thomas on the leg after McNeil hit it is indisputably false if you've seen the tape. Thomas hit it after Remackel did. The only question is whether Hallman tipped the puck before Remackel did. I think from Reasoning, angle and physics, he most likely didn't. Of course, it doesn't matter now, but it is a shame it ended like that. BTW, I think it was Jeff Anbinder who talked about Keith Olbermann being interested in hockey from his Cornell days -- Well, I think Olbermann is proof that not every Cornell student gives a crap about hockey, or knows a damn thing about it. I HATE his pretentious attitude, but it's even worse when he's dead wrong. Olbermann said about the Vermont goal ... "..as we know, play should have stopped as soon as the player hit it with his hand." He then raised his eyebrow, as if to condescend. Well, as WE know, play doesn't automatically stop when the puck is hand passed, unless a teammate touches it. So, while I BELIEVE it to have been a hand pass, Olbermann was, in his way, putting down the whole thing because it was "so clear to him" play should have been stopped immediately. I hate him. Speaking of ESPN -- who was that awful studio host? Where was John Saunders, Steve Levy or Bill Pidto??? The guy knew nothing, couldn't read or speak, and at one point I think I heard him say.... "This is just the appetizer for tonight's main course, the Final Four" He was talking about basketball. Did anyone else hear this? How can you call the NCAA hockey Final an appetizer to the basketball semifinals, to a hockey audience??? Finally, I think Bob Norton did a tremendous job. I've had this image of him as a pure Boston guy (which he is), who only talks up Boston players, and can't pronounce anyone else's name. I no longer believe this, having paid great attention to him for 3 games. I think his play diagramming was very insightful, and his constant playing up of where players are from, could get tiring, but since you never hear about it with hockey players, it's actually pretty refreshing. And how can you hate a guy who says, "I wouldn't know if a basketball was blown up or stuffed." That's the kind of thing people usually say in reverse. As for Mees, yeah he's bad --> But as someone else said, for the longest time he carried the torch at ESPN for hockey, all alone. I give him credit for that. AW HOCKEY-L is for discussion of college ice hockey; send information to [log in to unmask], The College Hockey Information List.