Thanks, Mike, that's exactly what I was hoping to see and why I was qualifying my opinion as to the goal. That's a very interesting difference between NHL and NCAA rules besides the obvious ones. Here are some additional questions for anyone that cares to answer them... 1) So, is a puck caught and dropped in the offensive zone by an offensive player always an illegal hand pass if the offense plays it first or only if a teammate plays it? 2) Does rule 6-17a only apply to hand passes when the puck is in the crease? 3) If not what does the "even though in the crease" mean? 4) Is that supposed to mean the rule applies even if the hand pass is made when the puck is in the crease? 5) Where was McNeill when he made the hand pass? In or out of the crease? 6) Are they talking about both the attacking and defending teams in that rule? Now I'm not saying these next things happened, I'm just posing some what if questions. 7) Supposing McNeill bats the puck out of the air and the Vermont goalie gives it "a sideward or backward bat" as mentioned in the rules, is Colorado College allowed or not allowed to control the puck at that point? 8) Supposing the puck had hit the Vermont goalie somwhere on his body on the way down, is that "a sideward or backward bat"? 9) In that event could Remackel then put the puck in the net as McNeill suggested? 10) If McNeill had knocked it down with his hand and then hit it into the goal himself with his stick, then what would the call have been? 11) Also does the NCAA have the same differentiation between hand passes in the offensive and defensive zones as the NHL? Eric Carlson [log in to unmask] HOCKEY-L is for discussion of college ice hockey; send information to [log in to unmask], The College Hockey Information List.