Ken wrote: Of course there are several good NHL cities that do not support a competative DI hockey program. New York, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh come to mind. And there's at least one good D1 hockey city that can't support the NHL :-). --- And two of these cities, New York (Columbia) and Philly (Penn) have obvious choices. Which brings up what is likely a conincidence: why is it that the two Ivy League schools without D1 hockey are also the two in the largest cities? And by quite a bit. Off the top of my head, I would rank the Ivy cities by population (by SMSA, or just the metro area) like so: Huge, dangerous, hideous places I'd rather vote for Pat Buchanan (or even Pat Robertson) than live in: 1. Columbia, New York 2. Penn, Philadelphia Middle-sized, dying, dirty, depressing Greyhound hubs: 3. Yale, New Haven 4. Brown, Providence Small Birkenstock outlet stores: 5. That place, Cambridge 6. Princeton, Palo Alto East Is that a town, or a ketchup stain on the map? 7. The 1995-96 Ivy League Champion, Ithaca 8. Dartmouth, Hangover Maybe there is something to the argument that where there are other cultural options hockey just does not do very well. I mean, I love Ithaca and all, but it would take an awful lot of persuading to get me to actually buy a house there*. Greg Berge Let's Go Red! * This is all just a shameless ploy to convince their law school to give me a scholarship, so let's hope there's nothing to the Reverse Woofing Theory... :-) HOCKEY-L is for discussion of college ice hockey; send information to [log in to unmask], The College Hockey Information List.