I will herein categorically state that I have NO conclusive evidence that Jeff Sauer should be fired, or held in other than high esteem as Wisconsin's head coach. I wish Mr Sauer the best, and hope all the championship trophies (league, misc tournament, NCAA) on his mantle from his (10? 12?) coaching years at Colorado College never tarnish. I would, however, like to know the following (or where to find it, short of visiting the Public Library in Madison and leafing through 20+ years of old newspapers): - has the ration of ex-Wisconsin players to ex-US college players entering the NHL (however briefly) changed since pre-JS? (my gut reaction, unsubstantiated by any evidence that will stand up in a court of law, is probably not, or it has gone up -- indicating a consistent or improving overall talent level) - compared to WCHA or NCAA D-I averages, has UW's penalty minutes/game; power play %; penalty kill % changed (of statistical significance) since pre-JS? (my gut feel, also unsubstantiated, is yes to all, for the worse -- indicating a less disciplined program) - what does a 4-year moving average of UW's RPI look like from, say, 1973 (= 10 yrs before JS) to present? (my gut feel is that it will be pretty much inconclusive; neither a rising trend, nor a falling trend, just "random" fluctuations) My gut feel, unsupportable before the Supreme Court, based on the above, is that the UW program has had and still has great talent. That talent is less disciplined today than it was prior to JS, yet gets substantially the same results. ILLOGICAL EXTRAPOLATION, based on the success of highly disciplined teams like Jeff Jackson's LSSU and George Gwozdecky's Miami/Denver: if UW had disciplined the talent, the results would've been better. And I assume (evidenced by my specific use of Jackson's and Gwozdecky's names) that disciplined hockey starts with the head coach. Challenge my beliefs. Prove my assumptions wrong. Show me the error of my ways. Put me in your "kill file". Hugs 'n Kisses Steve G UW '84 Miami '95 HOCKEY-L is for discussion of college ice hockey; send information to [log in to unmask], The College Hockey Information List.