There is a tall defenseman attending the Red Wings' camp this year named "Koch". He is not on any roster that I have seen published by Detroit so I'm wondering where this kid came from. I see there was a defenseman named Paul Koch on the Denver Univ. roster last season and would like to know if this is the same kid? MC -- Mike Collingridge | [log in to unmask] (My opinions only) | GM Powertrain Group, Ypsilanti "...up over the linnnnne...He SCORES!" -- Bruce Martyn, Red Wings' play-by-play radio broadcaster for 31 years, 1991 Hockey Hall of Fame inductee and recipient of the Foster Hewitt Award for excellence in broadcasting. HOCKEY-L is for discussion of college ice hockey; send information to [log in to unmask], The College Hockey Information List.