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I can't resist tossing a few comments into the sieve discussion. First, for Leigh Torbin, some form of goal cheer is common throughout the CCHA. Each team has a ritual, be it as simple as counting the number of goals and yelling "we want more!" or doing some form of more elaborate sieving, specifically targeting the opposing goaltender. At Michigan, almost every cheer throughout the game revolves around the words "sieve" and/or "suck". Although I'm not thrilled by the string of obscenities which now follows Michigan's "C-YA" cheer, I will say that the UM students have done a fine job at adapting the sieve cheer to several situations this season. One of the staples at Yost (and several other rinks) following a good save by the home goalie is to point to the home goalie and yell "GOALIE!", then point to the visiting goalie and yell "SIEVE!". Do this 6-8 times quickly. This year, a new cheer developed that I hadn't heard before. During a lopsided Michigan victory, the visiting team had already pulled their goalie when UM's Marty Turco made a tough save. The crowd shouted, "GOALIE! SIEVE! SIEVE! GOALIE! SIEVE! SIEVE!", with the first sieve being directed at the starter now on the visiting bench, and the second sieve being directed to the visitor's crease. Later in the game, Michigan replaced Turco with Al Loges, which of course led to yet another adaption..."GOALIE! GOALIE! SIEVE! SIEVE!" as the crowd pointed from crease to bench to bench to crease. And, more recently, when someone tossed an octopus on the ice at Yost, the crowd adapted again..."OCTOPUS! SIEVE! OCTOPUS! SIEVE!" Of course, following that lead, we went out for calamari (sp?) after the game. :-) John H U Mich The best argument may have been back in the 1988-89 (?) CCHA playoffs when the Bowling Green and Michigan fans "discussed" the difference between a sieve and a strainer. One of the better lines came from the BGSU contingent. A UM fan held up a strainer and chanted "SIEVE! SIEVE!" at the BGSU goaltender, and the BGSU fan responded with, "That's not a sieve, that's a strainer. Go back to home economics you moron!"