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not hordes of them, and not the NFL's version, where they only happen once in a blue moon. but its nice to have a tie once in a while -- once every 10 games or so -- to throw a monkey wrench into the standings. i can't explain it any better than that. maybe that's just the traditionalist in me. i don't mind the five minute overtime -- before that, hockey had too many ties, i think. but the shootout is kind of cheap, if you ask me. more luck than hockey. i don't understand why there always has to be a winner and a loser, every day. this is babble, i know. but its my opinion. thought i'd better say something, in case the CCHA is making decisions based on what the online folks think. :-) -- The Chronicle. Elyria, Ohio, USA John Kohlstrand, staff writer [log in to unmask] [log in to unmask] ``Techno is like Detroit -- a complete mistake.'' --Derrick May I don't speak for them. They don't speak for me. It's an existential thing.