I can't add to much to the Div. I theory behind the noise makers but I can add that in Div III there was a stink about Noise makers about 7 years ago at UWRF Wisconsin River Falls when they used a big old horn off a fire truck after each score. Well at that time a coach from UWSP Mark Mazolene (sp) bitched and complained about the noise and his bad heart, and how it hurt his players chances while playing in river falls. Well of course the next year because of his and other coaches complaints the noise makers were taken out of Div. III up here. -Kevin Hooghemm p.s. - UWRF also uses the Bud song ;) ========================================= Kevin Hoogheem [log in to unmask] [log in to unmask][NeXT] =========================================