Brad said, in part.. > ... I realize the >referee can overide the goal judges decision ... For better or worse (usually better), the goal judge provides NO decisions. Whether a goal is scored is determined entirely by the referee(s). The goal judge SIGNALS what s/he thinks is a goal. If asked, the goal judge can help a referee by telling him what s/he saw. (I haven't done college games, but as a goal judge in youth and high school games, I have *occasionally* been asked such questions as "was it kicked in?" or "did you see it as a goal?" ... but not often. Many years ago in a HS tournament game I signaled a goal when both referees were at the other end of the rink and could not see the play. I explained the play to the senior referee and a goal was awarded. That was very much as exception). cheers, Wayne Smith The College Hockey Discussion List administrator Systems Group - CAPS BITNET/CREN: wts@maine University of Maine System internet: [log in to unmask] P.S. Even before the play I described above, I had great respect for that referee. I often helped in those days on the clock or scorebook or as a goal judge and before *every* game that he refereed, he would arrive early and make it a point to talk with all of the minor officials. Come game time he had a working relationship with each. All referees should be so complete in their game preparation!