I wasn't aware that the level of credits for graad and undergrad are different,so I'll say that before every U-maine person reading this jumps on my throat, but wouldn't you think that someone at U-maine would CHECK this out to see what the requirements are? Perhaps even the PLAYER should have known? Secondly, what's this with Maine having grad students on the team? I thought red shirting is common in football and basketbalal, but not hockey. I beleive that at michigan no one on the team is red shirted. And, what I saaid about Tardiff can go for a lot of the atheletes, if you want to look at it in the bigger picture. I went through the U-M student directory, and I looked up a lot of the players (football, basketball, and especially hockey), and a lot of players are in schools considered much easier than the normal college of Literature, science, and the arts. It's too bad that college sports has deteriorated into a money making machine. It's amazing to hear how many students pick college instead of junior for the "Education," and then take mickey mouse type courses. It just frustrates me, as a student working hard, having to pay $15,000 a year, to see peopple getting a free ride and taking utter crap for clases (this is not against Tardiff, but athletics in general). I had a few football players in my psych class last year, and we had debates scheduled. None of them showed up on their debate day. Actually, one of them showed up only 50% of the time. It just makes me sick. --- Eric Rickin ([log in to unmask]) University of Michigan Class of 1996