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For those of the readers who seemed confused about the NC$$ consideration of the Wisconsin after game practice, please understand that I am not stating that the NC$$ necessarily deems what Wisconsin did after the St. Cloud game illegal. I don't believe in taking a scalpel to hairs: While NC$$ does not consider it a practice unless the coach is present (I need to see the exact rule book wording,) it sure seems to me that if the team captain runs the practice, it is a practice, none the less. The reason for not practicing after a game is to avoid "punishment tours" for the players. This is a good rule. Mass punishment went out with World War II, I hope (although I occassionaly witnessed it during the the years I served in the Army.) When a team captain runs a team practice, which I doubt any player could forego, after a losing game, particularly one where the loss is 6-1, the purpose is probably punishment whatever name you call the rose by. MY WAY of thinking is that this is in fact illegal regardless of whether or not one wants to quibble about coaches present or absent. Walt Olson