Some comments: 1st Gregs message: "In situations in which scholarships are awarded, they are by definition not treated exactly like other students. The distinction cuts both ways, and I think the stipulation that a student who receives a freebie from the university be held to a higher standard is perfectly justifiable." BULL: We given engineering scholarships liberally and we do not impose the restrictions that NC$$ does on athletics. 2nd Brian's message: I don't know if you have played college sports but I can tell you that athletes do receive grades for the sport played. I did when I played (not hockey). I think that I fit the profile of the student athlete: I majored in electrical engineering and physics. I see no problem leveling the playing field for all students. Grading is no more of a problem than for anything else. A student that bench warms does practice and the coach certainly can grade that. Just as RPI was feeder of EE's for IBM and GE, why can't we accept Maine being a feeder of Forwards for the Bruins? What is the difference? Walt Olson