It seems to me that Jeremy and many of you are thinking that if Penn State goes varsity that they have to make the BIG JUMP to a major D-I level. From club to a CCHA is a huge jump in a lot of areas - many of which need $$$$$$$ - recruiting,scholarships, travel, etc. etc. etc. - probably a budget in the neighborhood of 750,000.00 to survive the CCHA. A logical step would be to gain varsity status first. THEN, play in the ECAC WEST, SOUTH, whatever. They can do this as we do and St. Bona's - as was mentioned. They would not be eligible for NCAA post season play. The benefit would be "VARSITY" label and possibly getting a more challanging schedule including some of the FEW remaining D - I teams (Army, Air Force) and D-II programs (Univ. Alabama, AIC, Mercyhurst) and some new programs - like the Amherst/Mass. team that's in the works. If you survive this and go 34-0 - win an ECAC championship a couple times then maybe the school would consider a FULL upgrade to a CCHA ????? IMHO - does'nt this sound like sense ???? Right now Penn State is a great club program but winning against other club programs - that are of questionable strength. I remember the days when Canisius won some ICHL club championships and it was fun and our teams were pretty good BUT it was club and not as strong as the teams we face now. Brian Cavanaugh Canisius College