please replace "Clarkson" in my last reply with "St. Lawrence" i realized that it was a SLU announcer and not a Clarkson annoucer too late. alas, this is understandable, considering my anger over those sore loser comments by the SLU annoucners..... by the way - i think i didn't even spell SLU right. sorry - you may correct me if you want.... Greg Go Cats Go!