It seems the only thing you didn't do, Keith, was to change the interconference opponents of the ECAC teams. I propose that the reason the ECAC teams still rate lowest in your #5 scenario is the strength of their interconference competition, right? :^) Stephen Leroy Cornell '88 Caltech '90, perhaps '93 P.S. Sorry if I slighted Wisconsin, Michigain, etc. fans!!