Thanks Derek - I'm glad somebody finally said "enough". Even though I really like getting this list - I have recently been thinking about signing off it. At times it really isn't worth having to read through 40 listings to get 3 or 4 that really care any worth while information. I think if most people practiced a little self-control this list could really have some worth - otherwise it will just revert to a tool for shouting matches that never end. With this list growing in size everyday I think it is something to thinka about. Ron Babuka