If you've read Mike's recent posting, you'll see he made a damn good case for HE being stronger than the ECAC. For that, I'll give him a tip of the hat. However, there are a couple of things in that posting (which was in response to my origianl posting, HE vs. ECAC) that I'd like to comment on. First of all, I was in Detroit in '85 to see the Final Four and I remember the RPI-Providence game well. And I will admit that George Servinis ( the RPI forward who was on the face-off) was blatantly off-sides. Why the ref (I forget who it was) never called it, I don't know. However, I don't believe that the game hinged solely on that play. Chris Terreri (sp?) and Daren Puppa turned in spectaular performances for Providence and RPI in goal. But I believe that RPI, coming off the heels of a triple-overtime victory over Minnesota- Duluth, was not going to let Providence win under any circumstances. So if that goal (Servinis') had been disallowed, the Engineers probably would have found another way. Also, Mike mentioned the fact that RPI didn't meet anybody of any great calibre on their road to the championship. I can't help but disagree with that statement; RPI had to play #1 seeded Minnesota-Duluth to get to the championship game. The game went into triple overtime and lasted well over four hours. To say that UMD in 84-85 was not a championship-calibre team is simply untrue. UMD certainly deserved to win, and it was only by chance that they lost to RPI. And as for Providence that year, they were less-than brilliant. Providence defeated BC to advance to the final game. If anybody took the back-door into the tourney, it was Providence. BC did everyone a huge favor by upsetting Michigan State. If it wasn't for BC, both Providence and RPI would have been in the early game. So, I agree with everything else you said. You proved your point pretty well. However, I just don't agree with what you said about RPI and the 85 finals. If you still don't see where I'm coming from, then I apologize.