Thanks for the news about my spreading. Am I disease or what?!? (^; "College Hockey News"? Do you mean College Hockey WEEKLY? Or THE Hockey News. Never heard of the C.H. NEWS. I am not surprised about me being mentioned in Maine. I am more popular there than in Ohio. Shawn Walsh even called me at home to talk to me about it. Sorta like Jerry Lewis being a hit in France, no? (^; About the normalization: Yes it does hid the numbers a bit. There is no way around hiding the number, tho. Before I normalize, Yale gets a 0 and everyone else is + or - based on if they rate higher or lower than the Elis. Then I 'fudge' them to make the numbers look pretty. I *almost* did it differently, basing it all on the last place team only (LSSU would have ~190 and Dartmouth a zero). Still, your rating depends on Dartmouth going up or down. I didn't see any great loss in making it dependent on 2 teams rather than just 1. I get readability, since all the numbers are <= 100 and positive. Your "last & first place effect" idea sounds too tough, yes. What I CAN do however, is to tweak the results and see what happens. Lets say Maimi upsets Maine Saturday nite, then you'll have an idea about how much a certain win is worth this week. Again, it is all relative at heart. Next year I may not normalize as much. I wouldn't have this problem with an ABSOLUTE system, where a win is worth 3.4 points and a tie 0.9 or whatever. Q#2: I have a Macintosh database of scores. I export those scores to a plain old text file and feed it to a pascal program. Out pops a text file with the rating in it (even my name is spit out so I don't misspell it!). I usually crank out all the scores every so often and leave them on archive for anon ftp. I don't wanna give away my program, of course, because it was hard work. I'll give you the reference to the lone paper that I based it on, tho. Keith My new motto: TCHCR--it spreads faster than Anthranx. (No sorority jokes, please.)