Well, I have to put my 2k in here too about this, since it all came up again. When I was an undergrad (it was only 2 - 3 years ago) at Michigan State, I would say that I was above average in the fan obnoxiaity quotient (I probably still am; my girlfriend is hesitant to accompn'y me to any game...). But as N. Huang says, that doesn't mean we cheer as most americans vote - against, instead of for someone. Sure, some people will get foul, and some will lose con- trol, but (in my experience, anyway) there was/is a remarkably small number of actual problems as compared to any other sporting event: Football Basketball (even women's), etc. Unfortunately, having a certain proportion of foul and blatantly offensive fans, student or otherwise, will surely leave a mark on one's memory. I don't mean to start pointing fingers, but I always noticed two or three alumni in my section whom I would be ashamed to admit that I knew, much less use as an example as 'fans'. Of course there is the famous "fuck you; eat shit" "cheer"; I don't know about HE or ECAC, but I never heard overly obnoxious cheers like that in the CCHA, even in Joe Louis during the GLI (of course that doesn't mean it didn't occur). Let's try to keep things in perspective, OK? Roo