Dear Keith, I don't know you, and I don't know Frank. However, I have been on many listserves; I have been on this one for two weeks. In that time I have enjoyed the comments and arguments even when they carried more emotion than content. Your comments about Frank were the first personal cheap-shots I have read, and experience tells me that throwing the first stone usually causes a flurry of stones. List-serves like this can perform truly valuable services to the hockey community, but only if each participant accepts responsiblity for keeping the discussions on a plane well above that which you apparently desire. Into the penalty box with you, Keith; two minutes for roughing...... Greg Wentz