read the book on offsides and interference... if a player is offsides
becasue he was intentionally pushed offsides (i.e. a player is skating along
the blue line waiting for the puck carrier to bring the puck into the zone...
he is pushed in and his team is called offsides)... what is the proper call??)
Read the rule book. It says
“throw”. Did the player “throw” the puck.
Yes. Therefore a minor.
Now if you want to persist in talking about
what the ref “should” have done……….
Did the player “hold” the
puck? Well, he caught it. I don’t think that you can catch a
puck without holding it. At least I never have. The player is
allowed to catch the puck and to drop it with no whistle. So you don’t
whistle the instant the player catches (holds) the puck. So by the time
he caught it and then immediately threw it the whistle blew. At that
point the puck had been thrown. Therefore a minor.
I guess that’s why the rule is in the
book in the first place. Otherwise there would be no need to have the
throwing rule at all.
From: james acheson
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Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 11:39
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Subject: Re: throwing the puck
see the problem here is that you have a level 4 ref who haas done many
national tournaments and a level 3 ref who has done many Mass.
state play downs... (and who incedentally was the guy assigned to train Scott
Whittermore, (one of the 2 assistant referees in the Maine DU game) all those
years ago when Scott started officiating.
we referees say that it was poor judgment to call that a minor.
people reading the rule book have a different interpretation of the
rule.
read the elbowing rule... it says '"contact" not
"attemppted murder"
read the contact to the head rule... it says "ANY CONTACT to the
head, not violent conact.... and you know darn well that those rules are open
to interpretation.
the man in the crease for a diallowed goal leaves NO ROOM FOR
INTERPRETATION.
Lawson''s goal with 6 seconds left in OT at the Whitt was open to
interpretation.. a puck deflected off his skate and it counted... had he
directed it in (IN THE JUDGMENT OF THE REF,... the no goal. that is a
judgment call)
once a player holds the puck, it is a whistle.
I would only call a minor if a player picks it up off the ice and
throws it. (or if in the crease, a minor/optional penatly shot)
"Chesley, Clair"
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Well you have to go by the rule book in my
opinion. Just like the skate in the crease call.
“If the puck is thrown, a minor penalty shall be
assessed." :
is very clear. There is not room for interpretation that I can see.
The puck was thrown, therefore a minor. The ref should not have blown the
whistle as soon as he caught it because he is allowed the time to drop it. (If the puck
is caught and dropped immediately, play shall continue.) It doesn’t take much more time to
throw it than to drop it. The ref would have to have had the whistle
already in his mouth. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a ref put
the whistle in his mouth when a player caught a puck. 999 times out of a
1000 the player drops the puck and plays it with his stick. By the
time he had held in long enough for a whistle he had thrown it.
Therefore a correct call. Just like the skate in the
crease. And generally consistent with the way the whole tournament was
officiated. By the book. I though that overall the officiating was
quite good throughout the tournament.
From: Matt Bigley
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Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 10:59
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Subject: Re: throwing the puck
I agree. He held it long enough for the whistle and
the face off, which should have been the call.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 12,
2004 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: throwing the
puck
RIGHT>.. but how can you throw it when there was supposed to be a
whistle for holding it?
The NCAA ice hockey rule book
("Handling the puck," Section 19. a.) says:
"If the puck is caught and dropped immediately, play shall continue.
If the puck is carried or held, play shall be stopped. If the puck is
thrown, a minor penalty shall be assessed."
By the way, there is violation called "clipping," which is a check
"at or below the opponent's knees." Clipping is supposed to be
called if it is attempted, whether or not contact is made.
dave wollstadt
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