Dirk---thank you for breaking that down for me---am I right tho that virginity only addresses the first born and thus fidelity should be more prized.in protecting property lines (who fathered all the other kids ?) That's where the notion of property rights comes into play ---the wife must be faithful as she is the property of the husband but the husband is free to philander. Which means that it is not really fidelity that is at issue as that is a gender neutral virtue but rather domination. Witness in Texas where if you run over a cheatin' husband you get 20 years but if you shoot a cheatin' wife (or the bastard doin' it to you) everybody at the country club buys you a drink and you walk. Terry O'Grady