Michael and Charles Michael: I said I regretted being sucked, not suckered, into an email argument. I said I was not good at email arguments. I meant argument in its non-emotive form; to establish intellectual positions by reason. Your misunderstanding of my statements is evidence of my inadequacy not yours. Charles: You seem to imply that Pound's economic ideas never received a trail. I would posit that many of the ideas of "Social Credit" are reflected in today's U S monetary systems as managed by the Federal Reserve System and the U S Internal Revenue system. The ideas being used today even include income credits. However, Pound and Douglas would still have huge problems with the usury of today's consumer credit and the enormous national and international political clout of the banks. BTW: Isn't the Federal Reserve in actuality a private bank chartered by the U S Treasury Department. If so this would pose further theoretical problems for Pound and Douglas. As to Gramsci. I am poorly educated and have never encountered him. I am going to Albuquerque (UNM library) today and will read about him and if I have time of him. Rick Seddon McIntosh, NM