The irony would be in a register close to that in HSM. Tim Romano > Dan, > I've been think about what seems to me to be a contradiction or an > incongruity-- how could Pound be deliberately ambiguous here -- meaning two > things at once-- if one of those things involves _sincere_ self-assessment? > Doesn't the duplicity and irony undermine the integrity of the contrition? > But what if we were to take this Zweifaltigkeit (half black, half white) as > a kind of structural _counterpoint_ (Lawes, Jenkins)? Sincere > self-appraisal counterposed with the ironic statement, addressed to > "Paquin", that the (army's) green casque has outdone his elegance. > > Tim Romano > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel Pearlman" <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 3:32 PM > Subject: Re: green casques > > > > Tim, > > > > As you'll see by my last message, I'm getting sold for various > > reasons on this duality possibility myself--as an *intentional* > > use of ambiguity on EP's part. > > > > ==Dan > > > > At 02:53 PM 8/23/00 -0400, you wrote: > > >Burt, > > >It's clear that the green casque is readily associated with other > elements > > >from the green (i.e. natural) world in the Pisan Cantos, such as an > insect's > > >beautiful case, not made by man. I was fairly well convinced that Dan's > > >myrmidon theory was overshooting the target, but now, I'm not so sure. > > >There seem to be _two_ green worlds, and two planes of meaning here --- > > >again, the Elizabethan masque's meta-commentary upon the dramatic > action, > > >and the magpie's duality, may shed some light on how the ambiguities of > this > > >passage operate. > > > Tim Romano > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Burt Hatlen" <[log in to unmask]> > > >To: <[log in to unmask]> > > >Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 11:56 AM > > >Subject: green casques > > > > > > > > >> I haven't been following the "green casques" thread very closely, and > > >> I've erased a good many messages, so someone may have made this point > > >> already. But the association of the green casques with army helmets > > >> seems to me totally wrong. I have always associated the "Paquin" > > >> passage with the final lines of Canto LXXX, five pages previous: > > >> > > >> as the young lizard extends his leopard spots > > >> along the grass-blade seeking the green midge half an ant-size > > >> [then five lines about London] > > >> and if her green elegance > > >> remains on this side of my rain ditch > > >> puss lizard will lunch on some other T-bone > > >> > > >> sunset grand couturier. > > >> > > >> We have here an association of "green" with "elegance," and Paquin was > > >> in fact a couturier. A midge is a small fly, and its closed wings might > > >> look like a "casque." But I also think that Carroll Terrell is correct > > >> in association the green casque with the cocoon from which the wasp > > >> emerges, in Canto LXXXIII. > > >> > > >> Burt Hatlen > > >> > > >> > > > > > HOME: > > Dan Pearlman > > 102 Blackstone Blvd. #5 > > Providence, RI 02906 > > Tel.: 401 453-3027 > > email: [log in to unmask] > > Fax: (253) 681-8518 > > http://www.uri.edu/artsci/english/clf/ > > > > OFFICE > > Department of English > > University of Rhode Island > > Kingston, RI 02881 > > Tel.: 401 874-4659 > > > > > >