of course it's personal. do you really think you're going to get substantive discussion on what PC means? Carroll Cox has it exactly right -- it's a way for people to continue to be racist, or sexist without having to acknowledge it. on the other hand, I'm perfectly willing to discuss what it means, historically, to be a liberal in the US, i.e., how to mouth pious phrases while condoning and even supporting the murderous policies that give americans *the good life*.... that's what enjoying one's *consumerism without guilt* means.... jb... In a message dated 08/14/2000 3:07:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes: << The argument about PC is getting a bit contentious, and perhaps unproductive, in that personal accusations are being tossed around, without attention being paid to the issues under discussion. Can I respectfully request that accusations directed against the PERSON of the speaker be dispensed with (not for myself, but for all others on the list). It seems to me that one side is accusing the other being bourgeois liberals, while the tendency is to return fire by using the PC label. The whole point of the discussion, I thought was to explore what PC was. >>