JB wrote: <<if my position was any clearer, I'd be a stone etching. . . .>> I think your position could be stated more clearly, using quotations from Pound's work, from Pound's sources, or from historians who wrote about the periods covered in certain cantos. Correct me if I am wrong, but I do not believe you have produced any evidence (and very few arguments) to sustain your position. You seem to be offended by the posting of any significant amount of material which challenges your viewpoint. Why? Why should you take personally an analysis of the ideological, political, and social implications of Ezra Pound's work? Why should you take offense simply because the evidence I present, or my interpretation of said evidence, contradicts your view? This is a DISCUSSION LIST, after all. Any worthwhile discussion will inevitably involve the contemplation of viewpoints which differ from ones own. There should be no difficulty in looking at Pound's writing and coming to different conclusions regarding its significance. What for instance should we make of this quote: And as an American I do NOT want to see my country annihilatin' the population of Iceland, as the British annihilated the Maoris. And as for the Australians, they deserve a Nippo-Chinese invasion. Criminals were their granddads, and their contribution to civilization is not so much as to merit even a Jewish medal. Why the heck the Chinese and the Japs don't combine and drive that dirt out of Australia, and set up a bit of civilization in those parts, is for me part of the mystery of the orient. And in any case I do NOT want my compatriots from the ages of 20 to 40 to go git slaughtered to keep up the Sassoon and other British Jew rackets in Singapore and in Shanghai. That is not my idea of American patriotism. (Doob, 21). This passage could be interpreted in any number of ways, and it touches on several important issues, having to do with imperialism, Pound's views on British, Chinese, Japanese, Australian and American culture, how notion of "patriotism", and his attitudes toward Jews. Come to your own conclusion of course. But please put forward, some evidence, some quotes, or some arguments if want your position to be clearer. Regards, Wei ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com