this is a serious question!  I don't want a lot of sympathetic glop, I want
someone to defend democracy -- and not some utopian notion of it.  if one is
going to accuse someone of being against democracy, then one should be
prepared to point out the democracy that this someone is against....

"but democracy and my democracy?"  in a pig's ass...  "....spoiled in an
american climate...."

jb